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06 May 2006


Jim Jay

Three things on the ESF - all completely different and the first two here contradict each other directly... James, help me sort fact from fiction!

Report from European Social Forum, Athens. Lenin's Tomb


Extremely pleasant, but... Weekly Worker's report


ESF: Athenian democracy Hilary Wainwright



...Jim if you're stupid enough to believe anything the Weekly Worker prints you really need some help...

jim jay

Thanks for the extremely useful post truthseeker, cough, trouble is both sources are regularly self serving in their reporting. I don't trust either the SWP or CPGB to tell me the unvarnished truth and hoped James, as a far more honest individual could throw some light on the matter.


Well, whomever one trusts (and I would distrust anyone who thinks about politics as a matter of trusting others), it is a straightforward matter of record that the Weekly Worker is very very factually poor - and that's putting it very politely. Outright lies have been known to enter that sheet. The only reason it isn't more ubiquitously said is that not many people read the damned thing.

jim jay

Politics isn't a matter of trusting others - but reporting is. When trying to find out the facts of an incident we go to sources we trust. If I read something in the Sun I'm far less likely to believe it than if I read it in the Independent, that doesn't mean I base my politics on the Independent leader, or that I think it is always right, only that I trust it as a news source over the Sun.

Weekly Worker does have a lot of simply wrong information in it which is why I don't trust it. But I'm not going to trust a report on an event that 'happens' to paint events in a light that unilaterally confirms the politics of the writer. It looks very self serving.

I'm not dismissing the Tomb's report as wrong but I do want someone independent to give their opinion on the events so I've got a little more to go on than someone who says "we did nothing wrong and yet others in the movement attacked us". It seems unlikely.


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Federal regulators on Friday will privately begin telling the 19 largest US financial institutions how well they performed in stress
tests to assess their soundness.

Regulators trying to stabilize the financial system also will release the test methodology they used, which could provide clues about which banks may be in trouble - but also could could unwittingly roil the industry.

The results of the stress tests won't be publicly released until May 4.

The slow-motion rollout is intended to blunt market reaction to the news of which banks are healthy, which ones could fail if the recession worsens and which need more money to survive.

News reports, including a confidential outline of the tests first reported by The Associated Press this week, have led analysts to start handicapping which banks could fail. The speculation will intensify with Friday's release of the test methodology.

``I'm worried about the overreaction - people selling every bank short and pulling out all their deposits and hiding their money in the mattress,'' said Scott Talbott, a lobbyist with the Financial Services Roundtable, which represents the biggest financial firms.

Regulators are striving to release enough information about the stress tests to inspire confidence. But they don't want to give analysts so much detail that they can run their own tests on the banks before the official release of results.

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Outright lies have been known to enter that sheet. The only reason it isn't more ubiquitously said is that not many people read the damned thing.

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without any doubts the European Social Forum is one of the events with key role in the development of the society,

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